Unless you are completely plugged in legacy media solely, this earth-shaking news is completely new to you. The world is reeling from the Joe Rogan podcast interview with David Grusch, former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer and former official with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). What makes my head spin is that people completely skipped over the most important admission of Grusch of crimes committed by the US government.
Joe Rogan Experience #2560 - David Grusch
Mr. Grusch very plainly allegedly states on the Joe Rogan podcast that the United States Government is involved in human trafficking. Though in true Grusch fashion, he doesn’t go into any specifics, but the allegation of the crime remains. But don’t take my word for it. Listen to his own words for yourself below. It is literally dropped in the first 5:00-10:00 minutes of the podcast.
This is context to the intelligence officer caught with all the bars of gold. Read more about that in the link below.
https://www.military.com/navy-veteran-ex-cia-caught-40-million-gold-bars-plea-deal
Here is the transcript if you need to read it in black and white.
00:05:22 Was he pretending that he was using it for some disclosure-type deal, or did it have anything to do with UAPs? - Rogan
00:05:29 Uh, not that I’m aware of, but that same ecosystem I bumped into. So his fabricated program was a continuity government program. So that’s like, you know, if something bad happens, people are going to a hideout site, you know, sanitized location. - Grusch
00:05:43 - Right. - Rogan
00:05:44 And so what I bumped into, unfortunately, was like the deep underbelly of the federal government. We can get into it. It’s a lot of stuff I’ve never talked about because it’s just very terrifying. And I, you know, I’ve been through a lot of crazy shit. And I ended up bumping into a criminal enterprise run out of a particular agency. And it was basically getting money through certain criminal endeavors, the most unspeakable type of criminal endeavors, under the COVID of certain national security programs. That’s about as— Grusch
00:06:18 When you say certain unspeakable, you mean like, what do you mean, like trafficking? - Rogan
00:06:26 Yeah. - Grusch
00:06:27 Like child trafficking? So the government was involved in child trafficking for money. - Rogan
00:06:35 Officers of the government. That’s true. Yeah, it’s fucked up. I briefed members in a classified setting all the details. And I’m highlighting that because this is how serious this issue is, is there’s an ecosystem and there’s a lot of good people around these programs in terms of the UAP side. UAP side programs. - Grusch
00:06:55 Yeah. – Rogan
00:06:55 And I know a lot of them. They’re friends of mine. They’re patriotic people doing their duty. But there is like a small little caste system of characters characters that are part of this larger ecosystem of no holds barred. We’re going to do what we want and we’re going to do whatever kind of criminal activity to get washed money for our cutouts. So a good example, of course, would be Iran-Contra, right? - Grusch
00:07:15 Mm-hmm. - Rogan
00:07:15 Which is very famous, ‘86. And the CIA was engaged in those kind of activities. This has all been exposed all over north and all that to fund the Contras, weapons purchases, procurement, etc. And a lot of that seemed to possibly be drug trafficking. The government never confirmed that, but you look at Barry Seal and his statements in the ‘80s and ‘90s, and it’s likely that that probably occurred, you know. – Grusch
According to Grusch, allegedly officers of the United States military are involved in the trafficking of human beings. Again, allegedly, these officers are using national security programs to commit these crimes. That is a bombshell.
Strangely, or not, people are more focused on the Non-Human Intelligence versus Non-Human Intelligence conflict (Reptilians vs the Grays battles in our air space) than the fact that a very human government is trafficking other humans to God-only-knows who. At this point my conspiracy therapist brain is sizzling under my tin foil hat.
Before we proceed, let’s consider who is making these claims and whether or not we can believe him. This is not the first time Grusch has made outlandish claims with nothing to support his statements. To square our minds with reality, let’s look at the man, his career and his current status.
Who is David Grusch?
Who is this man and why should we take him seriously? David Grusch was in the US Air Force between 2009 and 2024, achieving the rank of Marjor (O-4). Grusch received an Air Force scholarship for physics before being commissioned as an officer. From 2019-2021, he served as an National Reconnaissance Officer, specifically as the NRO Representative to UAP Task Force. From November of 2021 to April 2024, he worked for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, as GS-15 Senior Technical Advisor and NGA UAP lead/co-lead. One of his jobs was to help prepare the Presidential Daily Brief.
Currently Grush is working and serving as a special advisor to Rep. Eric Burlison, a member of Congress involved in UAP oversight efforts. According to statements attributed to Burlison, Grusch continued working with his congressional office on UAP-related matters into 2026. According to this interview, Grusch still has his security clearances.
By all evidence, David Grusch is a credible source. Grusch’s employment history and positions are well-documented through congressional testimony and official biographies. Grusch gained international attention when he claimed that elements of the U.S. government and defense contractors possess recovered craft of “non-human” origin and have operated secret retrieval and reverse-engineering programs that were allegedly hidden from proper congressional oversight. He testified about these claims under oath before a U.S. House hearing in July 2023.
On September 30, 2026 Grusch returned to the spotlight on the Joe Rogan podcast. Unfortunately, all the outlandish UFO / UAP claims which can’t be proven at this time are what are stealing the spotlight, not the alleged crimes being committed by members of our US military and government leaders. Social media, conspiracy theorists and UFO grifters are aflame with all the interesting new details shared by Grusch about the phenomena.
But no one so far seems to be interested in the real world crimes he allegedly states. But this isn’t the first time someone has made the claim that the US government and military is involved in human trafficking. Grush is not the only US military personelle to make this claim.
On Jul 17, 2023, US Marine Michael Herrera recounts his involvement in the UFO / US government human trafficking intersection on the Shawn Ryan podcast. During a mission in Indonesia, Michael Herrera and his team encountered a UAP, leading to a series of unexpected events. At the 19:20 mark in the interview, Herrera retells the events that are the first nail in coffin of this allegation.
What makes this frighteningly stark is that people do tend to disappear around national disasters. As this site has documented before, national disasters are the perfect cover for mass human trafficking events. When you add the UFO / UAP element, it makes this very suspect. At the 32:51 mark, Herrara claims that the humans are the product, not drugs, that are being trafficked. But again, who was being trafficked to who?
The thought is very inconceivable. It does not make sense. When your imagination kicks in the possibilities are endless and worse. You can read my Nightmare Scenario: Alien Invasion to explore this line of thinking.
But you can’t prosecute E.T. or A.L.F. or any other alien. You can prosecute humans. One allegation is just a crazy story. Two allegations warrants investigation. If humans committed these crimes, then humans need to be prosecuted. Who are the suspects?
What about these alleged crimes?
Who were the accomplices and who were the victims? Apparently, according this interview, Grusch reported this to the Department of Justice. Even Kash Patel, Director of the FBI was briefed. Read this portion of the transcript here.
00:09:50 And so when I bumped into that stuff, you know, I immediately worked with the Department of Justice. - Grusch
00:09:54 That’s one level, but like child trafficking is another level. - Rogan
00:09:56 I know, man. It’s, it’s, it’s really fucked up. And, and there’s a lot of details that are— I have a lot more questions than answers. And I, you know, I worked with DOJ and, you know, from what I understand, I got a gold star in a brief to Kash Patel about it last year. I wasn’t in the briefing, but I, you know, I, I was told I got kudos, but It was very disturbing. And so, like, obviously, a lot of these programs are legal in the sense that there’s— in terms of UAP stuff, there’s, you know, classified executive orders back in the day that covers them, and they’re upstanding citizens. And we could litigate, like, you know, Congress wasn’t necessarily brought into the fold enough from an oversight perspective, et cetera. But, you know, the core of the program, does have a legal beginning, but when you don’t have oversight, unfortunately, certain small pockets of people start doing shit that they shouldn’t have. Right, that’s the problem. And unfortunately, I got deeply ensnared in that. There was a very small group of people that pushed me over the edge, and I had to do what I gotta do to protect myself. - Grusch
Where are the arrests today?
Apparently, they are nowhere. Does that mean Grusch and Herrera aren’t credible? Depends on what you believe. Depends on who you believe.
If Grusch isn’t credible, why is he working for a congressman? If Grusch is not credible, why is he testifying before Congress? If Grusch isn’t credible, why does he still have a top-secret security clearance? If Grusch is not credible, why is he being interviewed on one of the top podcasts in the world? Only you can decide for yourself if you believe him.
It has been speculated in my writing and others, that Grusch and others, are counter-intelligence assets being used to fool the public and or our enemies to cover our military industrial complex. Being that Grusch and others are permitted to talk about certain aspects of our military industrial apparatus makes them more spokesmen than whistleblowers.
If you need evidence that the Epstein class rules this world, this is it. As previously stated in another article, as a civilized society, we don’t tolerate monsters. If Grusch’s and Herrara’s claims are true, the American people are not only abiding monsters, but electing them to leadership and running our military. Not only are people reporting these monsters to the people to our DOJ but the administrators of justice are protecting them.
Of course, this isn’t news either. The government often investigates itself and finds wrongdoing and rarely punishes the guilty. To say that confidence in the US government is at an all time low is a major understatement. Justice for some is getting old.
What can we do as citizens?
If you believe in Grusch, Herrara and others, then there is something you can do. First thing you need to do is find out who your Congressman and State Senators are and write them. Demand that we need a NEW Church Committee to investigate our secret intelligence agencies. That will get their attention. At least you can check that one off your conscience. If till be more than most do.
Second, you can share this article or the Joe Rogan podcast interview itself. As Americans, we’ve tolerated the crimes of selling weapons and drugs in the fight for democracy, but when it comes to human trafficking, we must draw the line somewhere. Be a voice for the unknown victims of these crimes. Be unapologetic and loud.
You would think in this era of victimhood and victim mentalities that this would light a fire under someone. Where is the MeToo movement for these victims? But, as previously stated, people are more distracted by the extraordinary claims than the real world crimes alleged. Well done, MK Ultra programming!
At this point, if we allow this to continue, then the aliens should take over, because we have lost what it means to be human. When we don’t value another human life, then we are no better than the monsters orchestrating these events. We deserve whatever comes if we fail as humans to protect the victims or potential victims of human trafficking.
A scarier thought is that there is nothing our leaders can do. Perhaps, the US government is so far gone, that what they’ve done is so depraved and unimaginable that it will bring not only our country, but the world itself to an end. Perhaps, we’re on the verge of a new dark age. Perhaps these alleged aliens are the Visigoths that are going to end this human era of existence. Perhaps this is the greatest hoax of our the US counter-intelligence operations to keep China, Russia, Iran and North Korea at bay.
Where can we find hope?
It makes the spiritual aspect of this even darker. As the UFO / UAP phenomena creeps into the spiritual realm, our interpretation (or misinterpretation) of scripture because starker and mysterious. Yet, in all the chaos and confusion, we can find some understanding.
Ephesians 6:12 NASB
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Though the Apostle Paul probably wasn’t referring to UFOs but there is a darkness that is taking advantage of the situation. In a future article, we’re going to parse out the vernacular of the Bible and attempt to apply it the UFO / UAP reality, because it needs to be done. Christians need to be able to have an intelligent conversation about the subject. Here is a great interaction that people need to consider, especially Christians.
As much as this writer believes in the divine nature of truth, that it shall always rise from the darkness, and that upon the return of Jesus Christ there will be justice for all, but until then, the duty is on us to make sure justice is served upon the wicked. Of course, I could be wrong about all of it. It is just my perspective from the bottom end.